Economists Uncut

Can You Legally Stop Paying Federal Income Tax? (Uncut) 02-01-2025

Can You Legally Stop Paying Federal Income Tax? with Peymon Mottahedeh (WiM550)

I mean, this sounds like mind-blowing to people. How have you not paid taxes and stayed out of jail? Because I’m simply following the law because there is no law requiring to file and pay federal income taxes to begin with. It’s a deception.

 

It’s the lie. So this is criminality. Yeah.

 

How ironic is that? Criminals are using criminal law to try to catch people. These people have been brainwashed through the propaganda. They don’t need the government.

 

Government is the solution. No, government is the problem. You left Iran before the revolution.

 

Well, I was fortunate. I came at age 14 and literally a few months later, the revolution started. CIA is the one that did all this.

 

If you just stopped stealing from and killing people, then everyone would be more rich and more prosperous. Constitution grants us no rights. All it does is there to guarantee the rights that God gave each of us.

 

It does sound too good to be true to me, but I don’t know enough to refute any of it. So you have not paid federal income taxes legally in 30 years. Over 30 years.

 

30 years. Yes. How in the world have you accomplished that feat? Well, I went to a seminar in 1992.

 

I was educated about tax law, and by the end of that presentation, it was pretty clear to me that we, the American people, had been hoodwinked to pay federal income taxes that we never legally owed in the first place. So I just started educating myself, latched on to anybody out there in the freedom, patriot movement who knew something about the income tax and the U.S. Constitution. And I followed the lead of the smartest, wisest people that could find out there.

 

And I’ve been continuing to educate myself. And educate others. And here I am after 30 years.

 

IRS knows me very well. I’ve been on the criminal investigation or other investigations by the IRS since 1994, continuously. Through today.

 

  1. Currently, I’m on the criminal investigation too. Who probably some other investigation too.

 

And here I am. I do broadcasts online and do seminars and publicly tell people, you’ve been deceived. You do not need to pay income tax or payroll taxes, corporate taxes, estate taxes, gambling taxes, or federal gun manufacturing taxes.

 

Just like me. I mean, you obviously pay sales tax when you buy stuff at the store, right? You can’t really avoid that one. Besides sales tax, do you pay any other taxes? Gas tax.

 

Gas tax. You know, if I ever have a little alcohol, a little wine, I pay, you know, alcohol tax. So you’re paying consumption taxes.

 

Yeah. These are all the local and state taxes of our state, of our country. America’s 50 countries in the union.

 

That pays for the police, sheriff, the court system, the firemen, the roads, all these basic things that most of us expect and rely on the government to provide. Those are all paid by our local and state taxes. Like you mentioned, the federal income tax, you know, does not apply to the 50 states people.

 

It applies to the people who are citizens and residents of Washington DC. Okay. So you’ve been under continuous criminal investigation for 30-ish, over 30 years.

 

Sounds like the same amount of time you have not paid federal taxes. How, I mean, this sounds like mind-blowing to people. How have you not paid taxes and stayed out of jail? Because I’m simply following the law because there is no law.

 

Requiring any of the people of the 50 United States, like you, Robert and me, to file and pay federal income taxes to begin with. It’s a deception. It’s the lie.

 

And since I know the law, the IRS knows I know the law, they do not want to try to indict me, take me to a jury trial for me to educate the jury that there is no law requiring me, nor them to file and pay federal income taxes, acquit me and then publicize this fact to the American people through my jury trial acquittal. So they’d rather leave me alone, try to mess with me other ways, you know, like civil investigations over money. They had me one time for 13 years.

 

I was under investigation as an abusive tax shelter promoter. And they finally closed it in 2016. You just follow the law.

 

That’s the number one thing I teach everybody to do. So what does the law actually say about filing federal income taxes? When you say follow the law, what law are you following? That other people that are filing must not be following. You see, America’s founding fathers, Robert, were libertarians.

 

They were freedom lovers. They had a revolutionary war for freedom and got rid of the King of England tyrant. And the Bank of England.

 

And the Bank of England. And these 13 states wanted to create an agent government, a federal government, for them to coordinate the actions of defending themselves from England in case it wants to take him back. And other subcommon needs of the states to coordinate them.

 

So they did not want this new government to potentially become a new king. So they deliberately wrote the US Constitution in a way that the federal government cannot tax the people of the states of the union directly. Except by going through a lot of hoops, which they did that in the early 1800s, but not in the way they’re doing it right now.

 

So it’s still in the Constitution that direct taxes must be divided up amongst the states. The federal government sends a bill to each state. This is how much they collect.

 

And they would collect it from the people and give it to the federal government. Minus a little cut they took for administering, collecting the tax. So the income tax could not be written for the people of the 50 states.

 

So what they did is erode it for Washington DC and its territories. Because the federal government was given unlimited power to do whatever it needed to do on federal lands, which was meant to be primarily military lands to protect the people of the states from invasion by England. So because they have unlimited power in Washington DC and its lands, they are not restricted by the Constitution about how they want to tax any people that might be living or doing anything in Washington DC.

 

I see. So they wrote the law, okay, applying there. And they use the term, any citizen of the United States must pay income tax.

 

However, the term United States is defined in the law now. And even in 1913, that they wrote the very first modern income tax to not include any of the 50 states. Back then, it applied to Washington DC and all of its territories.

 

Over the decades, the territories all came out and not only applies to Washington DC. I see. But they don’t bother telling you that.

 

Because who looks at the law? You know, everybody just goes along with the program. Everybody assumes that, oh, they must mean me. Just like the corona jab.

 

Everybody assumed that this is a vaccine, but it’s not a vaccine. It’s an mRNA gene therapy. And actually it’s a bioweapon.

 

Okay. But who on TV land reads and thinks for themselves. Right.

 

They just go along with the program. That’s how they did it. So Washington DC is almost like a separate country.

 

It sounds like. And then originally had the authority to extract federal income taxes from territories, but not states. They had to extract.

 

Well, not people living in this 50 states. Not 50 states at the time, but 50 states now. And so the federal government does not have the authority to tax individual citizens directly.

 

They have to instead tax the 50 states who in turn have to tax their citizens directly and then remit that to the federal government. Okay. So why does the, why doesn’t the federal government just do that? Why don’t they just tax the 50 states and the 50 states tax the individual citizens? Why do they go direct? Because it’s much more convenient and quick and the states will not be a burden or hindrance to stop the program and from doing so.

 

They want to just go directly to the people. Why? Because in 1913, as your audience knows very well, they created the Federal Reserve, privately owned central cartel bank. And then they wanted to lend money to the government out of thin air, money made out of thin air by fraud.

 

And they were going to charge 6% interest on that. Where is that interest payment going to be funded from? Ah, let’s have a direct income tax on American slaves. Okay.

 

This way we can always directly make sure that debt is paid for. That’s what they did that way. Okay.

 

So most people today, I think most people still, they have normal jobs, right? They are W2 employees of some corporation. They receive weekly, bi-weekly, monthly paychecks. And in those paychecks, their federal income taxes and other things, what Social Security, Medicaid, I think are already deducted from their compensation.

 

So people receive their net compensation, not their gross. And those taxes are basically extracted at the source. Like the people never even touch that money, right? It’s automatically remitted to the federal government, presumably by the employers.

 

And what can people even do about that? It’s like if most people are in normal jobs and that’s how taxes are collected before they even get a chance to touch it, what can be done about that? If people go to Freedom Law School’s website, FreedomLawSchool.org, we have a page on there that shows people how they can fill out the W-4 form in a way that legally and correctly stops the employer from stealing any income tax from your paycheck to begin with. And now you don’t have to file a 1040 form by next April 15th to try to get some of that stolen money back. So I urge everybody, just go to FreedomLawSchool.org and it’s right there.

 

So that’s applicable to any U.S. employee. They can just fill out this form differently and get all of their gross pay. Yep.

 

I had no idea. That’s interesting. I’m going to go back to continuous criminal investigation for 30 years.

 

How much has that cost you relative to what you would have paid in taxes, do you think? I mean, I guess first in terms of money and then in terms of time and headache. Let’s see, it cost me some ink and paper to write out the legal stuff and some postage and a little minor filing fees because I did all the work myself. I never hired an attorney to defend me because my attorney and libertarian friends who I went to back in early 1990s told me, Peyman, you already know about income tax than what we were taught in law school.

 

And I thought, what? You go to law school, they don’t teach you about the constitution and income tax? He said, no, they really don’t. So I said, okay, then I guess I’m going to read the constitution and the tax laws from my patriotic, freedom-oriented friends on my own and start applying it. So I just did it all for myself.

 

So I never cost me anything. They have come after me, like I said, multiple times. I’ve had interaction with them of all sorts.

 

I beat them in the IRS appeals office. I’ve had IRS lawyers back off. I beat them in the US tax court and also the federal district court.

 

I even quashed, forced the IRS to remove the criminal investigations subpoena of the hotel I did my events. They want to know everything about that event. I forced the IRS lawyer to have the IRS criminal investigator withdraw his request because he was violating our first amendment rights.

 

So I’ve had many victories and it’s all on my website at freedomlawschool.org. Another time they came after me with over $660,000 back in 2009 for employment taxes. It took me two years and the IRS appeals office and the US tax code officially zeroed out. And all these about 10 or so pages of tax liens were all removed and zeroed out.

 

Well, so you do all your own, you represent yourself. So for people that can’t do that, what I’m trying to get to here is like, there was some number that you were, I don’t want to say supposed to, that you were um, a certain amount of taxation that would have been imposed upon you that you, what is it? They came after me. Legally avoided, right? The question I’m trying to get at is what was the spend? What would the spend have been in terms of legal expenses for people that cannot represent themselves compared to that total tax bill? So if someone had to go out and do what you did without representing themselves, how much do you think they would have spent in that process to legally avoid how much in total taxes? Well, that’s a good question because unfortunately, and I’m not trying to brag or anything like that, but in the freedom movement, I’m the only one left that actually does this kind of work.

 

And I’m the only one in the history of the tax truth freedom movement who’s never gone to a tax prison. IRS never closed my organization, nor have I quit. And so I did the work myself and I can do it for people.

 

In fact, we have a restore freedom plan if people want to join us, where we do all the work for them. We do pay attorneys as necessary, okay? And even if we were to lose the case and the IRS takes from them $10,000 or $10 million, whatever it is, we will fully reimburse to them the money that IRS took to them. So if people want to do that, all they have to do is to, rather than giving the money to the IRS, keep 70% of that money and contribute 30% of that to our restore freedom plan.

 

And then they got all this guarantee I just told you about, no tax prison time, everything we pay for. Tax prison. So I thought debtor prison was something of the past, but they’ll still throw people in jail for not paying taxes.

 

Oh, yeah. When you file a tax return, you can go to prison. And almost all the people that go to prison for tax crimes are people who were deceived by their accountant, CPA, or attorney to file a 1040 income tax confession form that’s used by the IRS against them to put in prison because it’s all signed under oath.

 

If you don’t sign that form, you don’t face nine years of prison time for your single signature on one 1040 form. Wow. It’s that that gives the IRS the power.

 

And the problem is these professional tax people are the very people that Greece skids for the IRS to rape us by deceiving us that we should file this form and pay our accountant, CPA, tax attorney to defend us. So I mean, if I may, but that sounds when you say, here’s a program where you can allocate a percentage of taxes you would have otherwise paid to the federal government into this pool. And then we will provide all these services and fully reimburse you and protect you.

 

I mean, from an outsider’s perspective, that sounds pretty snake oil-y. So what, can you just unpack that a little bit? Like, is this how many clients do you have? How long has this been going on? Is this a successful thing? You said you have been under criminal investigation for 30 years. What about the clients? It’s like, what does this subject them to in terms of stress, et cetera? Like, I can imagine that would be a pretty stressful situation for people to be, you seem pretty chipper about it.

 

It’s not stressful at all because you are liberated from having to keep records of every little expense as a business owner you have with your bookkeeper, with your accountant. Gee, I didn’t get this right. Didn’t get that right.

 

You don’t need any of that stuff whatsoever. You’re free from doing all this burden to begin with. And I’ve done this program for over 23 years since 2001.

 

And not even one person who ever came to me and stopped filing and paying federal income taxes with Freedom Law School for the first time has ever gone to prison, tax prison, or ever had the IRS leave you their bank account, paycheck, nor taken their crypto, real estate, any assets whatsoever. That’s my track record. So no asset seized, no people put in jail.

 

20 years. How many clients? That is a number I don’t disclose because IRS, I don’t want them to know how many students we have. Got it.

 

So I keep that private. Got it. Okay.

 

What, so tell me about these, this experience of living under criminal investigation for 30 years. Like, what is that like? Are you actually dealing with attorneys and paperwork on a daily basis? Like, what are you doing on a day-to-day, month-to-month basis to deal with that? I just go on with my life. I mean, they go on their own, investigate all they want, whatever they’re doing back there.

 

And they just spin their wheels, getting paid for doing no work or nonsense work. That’s all these government agents are. There are not really people to be afraid of.

 

They should be afraid of us because they work for us. We are the bosses. They are the public servants.

 

So it’s not like they call you every month or they write to you. No, it’s not like that. I just know that, for example, back in 1994, there was no freedom law school at all.

 

So I got a copy of the records he had on me. And it said, yeah, this guy apparently came to a meeting, pick up my flyers, and they started a criminal investigation on me. And they had meetings about me with different agents, like every couple, three months.

 

And then after a year and a half, he went away. I did not even know I was under investigation until I obtained the copy of my files from the IRS and saw, oh, gee, I was under investigation all this time. So it’s nothing.

 

I just go on, enjoy life, being a free man. Interesting. Wow.

 

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Okay, so you’re saying the filing of the 1040, which is the personal tax return, it’s the signature on that document that basically is, I think, a confession as you described it. So you are instructing people, suggesting to people that they just don’t file that document, so they don’t sign that confession, and in doing so, the IRS and federal government would then have no cause or no legal reason to do anything to you because there’s nothing in the law that compels you to file in the first place. What about all the other tax forms that people have to file, like the 1120s and partnership returns and ba-ba-ba-ba-ba? Same thing.

 

You just don’t file any of them? You just don’t file any of them, that’s right. But what if you’re in a partnership with, I don’t know, 100 people and 98 of them are compliant, normal taxpayers, and you’re getting K-1s? What do you do? You yourself just don’t do anything? Yep, that’s right. They can do what they want to do.

 

You do what you want to do. Okay, and then if you flip that, if you’re running a partnership and there’s other people in it that need to get K-1s, you’re just sending them K-1s without filing any of it? No, you just educate people. If you’re the one in charge, you educate your employees or people you work with, look, legally that would be wrong for me to send that form to you.

 

Snitch on you, falsely receive taxable income from me when you did not. So you just stop that. People say, oh, thank you.

 

Well, what if the investor is, say it’s like an investor in a LLC or a partnership, and they want to receive a K-1, which is the document detailing their flow through of income and expense from the partnership. Say they want that as a compliant taxpayer, what do you do in that situation? Which there’s more than one way to handle that situation. One is you can give a piece of paper to them saying, hey, this is how much you were paid as a partnership in our partnership.

 

You typically want it to be in the form K-1, but that does not apply to you. But if you want, you can consider this. If you want to file a tax return, a K-1.

 

Here we go. You got a K-1, you reached a million dollars. Now you want to go and take some of that and give it to the IRS.

 

Be my guest. You just write it just like that on a sheet of paper. Just write it up.

 

Piece of paper. So here it is. You make this sound so incredibly easy.

 

And I feel like I’m surprised there’s not millions of people doing this. Why do you think that is? Because of course, the international banksters who control the media in this country with the money, they also bought off the politicians. They don’t want the word to get out for American people to not being slaves of them.

 

They want us to be slaves, serfs. So the major media avoids talking about this stuff. You ever see me on Fox News or CNN or New York Times? Of course not.

 

They do not want to bring this out to American people. Give you an example. United Libertarians known for decades that the U.S. government is run by a bunch of criminals.

 

And they are a criminal entity. But vast majority of Americans did not realize how crooked the system is until Donald Trump became president. And they did all this phony stuff, phony Trump-Russia conspiracy, Trump-Ukraine conspiracy, impeached him twice.

 

Then they raided his home with the FBI. They put all this lawfare against him. They railroaded him.

 

They even got a criminal case and convicted him to railroading and broke every rule of law with the crooked prosecutors and double crooked judges who allowed that to happen. And now people thought, whoa, gee, that guy was really bad. And people used to have in America high esteem for judges.

 

Oh, the whole mighty judge. They always uphold the law. But no, they’re a bunch of double crooked people because they are the worst.

 

They deliberately knowingly that judge put Trump convicted in New York, that he is violating every rule of law imaginable there is. But, you know, so same thing with income tax. People are waking up and realizing, oh, OK, the income tax is just another area of lies, deception of this matrix of corruption.

 

I just got to get myself out. That’s all I got to do. I am Morpheus, Robert, you and the audience, you all, the NEOs, yourself, if you choose to get out of the matrix.

 

It’s funny you use that metaphor because we often describe Bitcoin as the orange pill, citing the same matrix metaphor. What is it? So what do I want to go with this here? Ah, people, what people are, what, how do they do this? It’s people are conditioned into just this habituation of filing these forms without ever asking questions. And so the IRS is just depending on that inertia that people just keep doing and imitating what other people have done and not really asking questions.

 

And that’s what this whole system is based on. Exactly. Just like the coroner jab.

 

Most people who took the coroner jab did it voluntarily. Right. They were not forced.

 

Yeah. They were so programmed since childhood to give themselves vaccine, the children vaccine, the flu vaccine. And they trust and believe in the authorities, the government, the medical system, the judges, the CPA, tax attorneys.

 

They just keep going along. And to stop is like, stop? I’ve done this all my life. What do you mean stop? So it’s a cultural conditioning process.

 

Yes. I mean, another term I’ve used on the show is memetic engineering, where you’re like engineer, basically, well, we see this a lot in mainstream media, right? Like you get these talking heads to repeat a message a lot. And before you know it, all your front, not all your friends, hopefully not, hopefully none of your friends, but people around you will be regurgitating the same thing the talking heads on TV are saying.

 

And it’s like, there’s this, I saw this one around the pandemic time when I was living in Los Angeles and I would see this stuff on the news. And then you would see all these people in Los Angeles just repeating what was on the news. And that’s when I was like, I have to get the fuck out of here because these people are massively programmed from Tennessee originally.

 

And people just naturally distrust the government and authority figures. So I had to get back to a red state. You brought up Trump and speaking of red states, he’s talked about abolishing the IRS.

 

What are your views on the recently installed president Trump and his position on taxation, IRS, et cetera? That is what Freedom Law School and a tax truth community have been saying, going back to even past World War II, that we don’t need to have this communist taxation system to tax the American people and make us slaves. We need to go back to the roots of America where the federal government was funded primarily by taxing imports and foreigners. Tariffs.

 

Tariffs. The 1800, the whole hundred years there was primarily with tariffs. And what we can do is not only tax the import of items, we can tax universities that let foreign students come attend them.

 

And those foreign students that Elon Musk wants to hire on an HB1 visa to work in South America will tax the employer and employee, the foreigner. So you’ve got a choice of hiring an Indian guy for $80,000 and pay 50% tax or hire an American for $120,000. See, and those foreigners, first generation, they pay a price, a ticket for coming to land of the free, home of the brave, of milk and honey.

 

And so tourists come to America. This is the Disneyland of the world, is America. They pay a tax also.

 

And in America, we have so many jobs. Everybody’s going to want to come here. And we’d have no more slavery income tax or payroll taxes on people’s labor whatsoever.

 

Calling America the Disneyland of the world makes me really want to leave America. I mean, in a sense that, you know, the Disneyland of 60 years ago, you know, the fun place. It’s, yeah.

 

Understood. So you yourself are an immigrant. Yes.

 

You immigrated to the United States from Iran. Yes. Okay.

 

When was that? Do you think what you, the suggestion you just made too, was that a suggestion that would disadvantage immigrants coming into this country? If they would be subjected to this university taxation scheme you just suggested, like how would you, I see that you’re in favor of it now. Would you have been in favor of it when you were immigrating into the U.S. originally? How do you think about that? Sure. Look at this.

 

You know, every time I’m at a hotel in Florida, I talk often to the people that clean up my room and they paid the coyotes, the drug dealers in Mexico, $10,000 to come here and they pay, and sometimes the relatives put up the money and they have to pay him back. $10,000 for somebody from another country that’s poor or middle class, that’s like paying $100,000 for America. Oh, you’re saying to get into the United States.

 

Because they know in America, life is so much better than other countries on earth. We have it so good here that immigrants would say, no problem. I’ll pay any price.

 

Let me in the land of milk and honey and I’ll pay whatever tax you want. So that will not be a problem at all. Foreigners will gladly still line up to come to America and pay income tax and their children now who were born here, they won’t have to pay no income tax whatsoever.

 

I mean, this is not my position, but just to be a devil’s advocate for the sake of argument, what about someone who might say that America is such a great place to live because we have all these taxes, like all these taxes go to the government and the government gives us all these services and free stuff. How would you respond to that? You know, I would say, really? I mean, you saw the report came out a few months ago that out of federal workers, only 6% of them show up to work and work 40 hours a week. I mean, come on.

 

You know, to think that government employees work is an oxymoron. Okay. There’s no profit motive for them to be efficient in any way.

 

They get paid the same, no matter how good or bad of a job they do. Everybody knows, except people who don’t know, who are uneducated, that government is waste and corruption. The money belongs to you.

 

You work hard for it. You are the best person to know what to do with your money. These people have been brainwashed to the propaganda that we need the government.

 

Government is the solution. No, government is the problem. Get the government out of people’s way.

 

So if we went to this tariff-only tax policy, where governments only generated revenues through tariffs, presumably that would lower government revenue a lot. So that would shrink government a lot. But I don’t think it would solve that problem you just highlighted, that it’s waste and corruption.

 

So you’re taxing goods that are imported. Obviously those costs are passed on to consumers in the form of increased prices. The government’s still getting this extraction, basically, of purchasing power.

 

Wouldn’t you say that we just need zero taxation? Would that not be the answer? Why can’t we just obliterate all centralized government and just have local consumption taxes and local powers? Why can’t we do that? Well, because unfortunately, politically, it’s not feasible at this time. We have way too many people in America, old people, for example, who become dependent upon Social Security and expect that. So if you tell them you’re going to get rid of Social Security, you’re not going to even get off the ground.

 

That’s just the reality. They believe they were lied to, that they put the money in the system in a savings account that the government pays them when they retire, even though the money was spent right away down the federal rat hole of corruption and waste. It’s not savings at all whatsoever.

 

So it’s not going to happen politically. As a libertarian, I would like to see it, of course, naturally. But to make it really happen, we need to take that phased approach to make it happen.

 

And going back to Founding Fathers’ vision is a way to go. In fact, Thomas Jefferson, the most libertarian president that we ever had probably, when his term ended, said his biggest accomplishment was that he was able to eliminate all internal taxes by the federal government. The federal government ran by end of his term only on tax tariffs and sale of federal lands, basically.

 

So why can’t we do that again, which made America great? We can. We just didn’t know that was available. Trump, thank goodness, got educated about this.

 

Hopefully somebody will put us in touch with Trump, and we’re going to help him implement this into law and have it happen. And America will become wealthy. Look at Detroit.

 

All the good auto manufacturing jobs, middle class jobs from 1970s on went out to Japan, Korea, and China. They all come back to Detroit, and Detroit could be once great again. That could happen to all of America with the tax on imports.

 

And we can pay the higher price of items on imported goods. No problem, because we got a good paying job now. Interesting.

 

When you left Iran before the revolution, what was the motivation for that? And why the United States besides the fact that it’s Disneyland? Well, I was fortunate. I came at age 14 when everything was peaceful in Iran completely. And literally a few months later, the revolution started.

 

So I had no idea this is coming. So your parents got you out before then. To get me educated, to go to high school.

 

I was 14 in 77 to get ready for a good university education. That’s why my father sent me. But then revolution happened in 1980.

 

Israel and United States go to Iraq to invade Iran in an eight-year war. And I didn’t go back because I could have been drafted into military. I’d probably been killed.

 

And America is such a great country. Why would I leave this place to begin with? But I love the American roots of freedom, our principles of freedom. America is so special.

 

We just forgotten what the roots of freedom in America were about and how we got to get it back. What was the Iranian revolution fought over? Well, Shah of Iran used to be a monarch, like Queen of England. And after World War II, he was like that.

 

But then there was a prime minister in Iran who wanted to nationalize the oil. 90% of the profit of oil went to their British companies that way back in 1800s and bought the oil license from the king of Iran very cheap. So he wanted to nationalize that oil because the English oil companies refused to give a bigger share to Iranian people, Iranian government.

 

So Mossadegh was his name. He named the prime minister to nationalize the oil, kicked out all the British embassy people, the spies. And then the British could not do anything about it.

 

So the British went to President Truman to do a coup d’etat on Iran, military coup d’etat on behalf of the British, but Truman said no. Then the Dulles brothers, two banksters, crooks, one of them had a CIA, the other one was Secretary of State. They went to President Eisenhower and convinced him to do the military coup d’etat on Iran on behalf of the British oil companies, and they did that successfully.

 

And they brought back the Shah, the king of Iran, Gadrah al-Mosaddegh, the prime minister, the democratically elected prime minister. And he became the democratic dictator. So the revolution was a kind of a blowback of that whole situation the U.S. started, because everybody knew CIA is the one that did all this.

 

So this whole thing between Iran and America is caused by America, the CIA, who dug its nose and got rid of Iran’s democratically elected government. Wow. So yeah, spycraft energized by trying to steal energy assets, basically, right? And then the people just wanted to throw off that.

 

That makes a lot of sense. So you arrive in America at the age of 14. What was your experience? I mean, I guess, what were your expectations versus the reality of America? I’m sure you had a certain picture of it in your mind when you arrived here, and then you got to see the real thing.

 

How did that play out? Well, first, I was blown away. I lived in West Los Angeles in Brentwood. Great place to live.

 

You know, great place to live. And I was blown away that you have all these roads with cement all over the road. Iran’s cement was expensive.

 

To even build, you just throw it on the ground, on all these freeways, and you have all these, you’re nailed in the ground, all these lane changes between them. Like, whoa, you can actually, how do you do this? Prosperity was blowing me away. That was number one.

 

Number two, when I went to college, California University in Long Beach, and I took up economics, and I read Milton Friedman, and, you know, economics, and I found out, wait a minute, this America is not as free as portrayed in the TV series and movies I saw in Iran about America and the Westerns. John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, you can be all you want to be, do not violate others’ rights, and keep your agreements. That’s how it used to be in America.

 

So, this is not a land of free anymore. And I realized someone like me is a libertarian. So, not only I continued educating myself, but as soon as I became an American citizen in 1989 at age 26, first thing I did, I registered to vote as libertarian, and contacted the Libertarian Party of Orange County, California, and became activist in the party, because we got to take back America, our freedom is back.

 

Otherwise, where am I going to go? Yeah, I mean, there’s nowhere else in the world, right, with this level of individual freedom. I mean, at least historically, I don’t know if it still stands that way or not. But the way the Constitutional Republic was founded was definitely unique.

 

You know why it’s unique? Because America is the only country I know of on earth, any major country, for sure, that the system, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, all recognize that our rights do not come from government, okay, or crown, or some military dictator, it comes from our creator, we were born with it. All the laws in America are still written with that foundation, we just forget about that. For example, let me ask you, how many constitutional rights do we have? How many do we have? Is this including all the amendments? I don’t even know.

 

The answer is zero. Because the Constitution grants us no rights. Oh, it just enumerates the rights that we already have.

 

All it does is there to guarantee the rights that God gave to each of us when we were born. Yeah, I like the way G. Edward Griffin describes a constitution as a piece of paper where you memorialize all the things that government is never allowed to do, right? You know, cannot encroach on the freedom of speech, cannot encroach on the right to bear arms, etc. And so it’s meant to be this immutable, absolute, unchangeable flagpole, basically, around which you orient the rule of law.

 

Obviously, we’ve added amendments to that, but the Bill of Rights are really meant to be basically unchangeable. I mean, I think there is a mechanism to change them in there for unforeseen technological realities or situations in the future, but it’s designed to be really hard to change. Correct, on purpose, right? Yeah, hence the decentralization and all that.

 

And yeah, it is unique, right? Because it’s based on what they call them, inalienable rights. Correct. Cannot be taken away.

 

You were born with them, given to you by God. Taken away or given away, even voluntarily. You cannot alienate them from yourself.

 

That’s right. That’s why they’re inalienable. But the United States got off track from its founding principles, I would say with the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913.

 

Shortly thereafter came the IRS. And maybe this ties into your story with Joe Banzer. So how did your experiences in the mortgage industry and financial planning contribute to your understanding of the Federal Reserve and the IRS? Well, I was in college and I was in a sophomore college and my teacher talks about the Federal Reserve and lends money to banks.

 

And so, all right, in emergencies, the Federal, you know, they do that. And I said, well, where’d they get the money? And the teacher said, well, they just do it. I said, what do you mean they just do it? Where’d they get the money? He said, they just do it.

 

And I told the teacher a lot, wait a minute, that sounds like fraud to me. And the teacher literally struck his shoulder up, palms over like this, like, that’s just the way it is. So that’s when I realized, oh, this is a scam.

 

So then back when I got involved in the United with the Patriots, they taught me about the Federal Reserve. For more information, I read a book, Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins. And I thought, oh, okay, that completes the picture.

 

I was already on the track to understanding how it is. Yeah. But our destruction started with Abraham Lincoln, with his war of aggression against the Union in the South.

 

There was no need for that war. That’s what started putting the federal government over the states. It was meant to be the states over the federal government.

 

And then, of course, as you said correctly, Wilson was one of our worst presidents. He did the Federal Reserve Act, the Income Tax Amendment, which was a deception to make people believe they got to pay income tax, but they don’t in 50 states. And the 17th Amendment that took away the state’s power for the legislature of the state to appoint senators.

 

So the senators used to be answerable to the states to protect state power sovereignty over the federal government. But now with the people voting for him, they have no allegiance to the state. They’re allegiance to the big money who gets them elected to get the vote of the people in the states.

 

So all those stories, and the World War I, same thing. Again, that was under Wilson, who was owned and controlled by the international banksters. Yeah, I think we introduced passports around that time, too.

 

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He heard about income tax fraud on a talk radio show when he was driving as an IRS agent in California and called a guest, D.V. Kidd, and D.V. Kidd’s book he bought, who mentioned Bill Conklin, who was a friend of mine, and Bill Conklin told him, hey, you should call my friend Paymon. That was in 1997. I was in California just like Joe.

 

I thought, wow, this is a special opportunity to have someone from inside who called me and says, I’m doing this on my own time. I’m not investigating you. I just want to know the truth about this income tax fraud that I heard on his talk show.

 

So I started educating him. After about a year, he said, Paymon, I’m going to write a book about this. I said, great idea.

 

He wrote the book, 90 pages about income tax fraud and deception, how it violates American people’s rights. And then after we edited the book, he said, Paymon, I gave it to my supervisor at the IRS’s San Jose, California office to forward it to the commissioner of the IRS in Washington, D.C. to refute my book. I told him, I cannot uphold my oath to uphold and defend the American people and the U.S. Constitution and their rights, and doing this as the IRS special agent at the same time to enforce a non-existent law.

 

Show me where I’m wrong, please. I got to live with myself and my conscience and my oath. The IRS responded.

 

We’re not going to respond to your request. And you can leave if you want to. Like, wait a minute.

 

This guy is supposed to enforce the tax laws, criminal tax laws. He wants to know what law is he imposing on American people. And you just say, you just blow him away.

 

You don’t need to know the law. Just do what we tell you. So he quit.

 

I put him out there in our first freedom rally in 1999 in Newport Beach, California. And then news about him went wild. And so We The People Foundation, this organization had him come to D.C. to debate the IRS, Department of Injustice lawyers, Congress heads about the legality income tax issues.

 

And no one from government would ever show up to debate him. Ever. Ever.

 

Not once. USA Today ads were taken full page by We The People Foundation about this issue of Joe Bannister. After three issues, USA Today told the foundation, no more ads for you.

 

We don’t want your money. So they indicted Joe Bannister. And then all five was a trial.

 

They try to hook him up to somebody who he spoke at his company about taxes. And it didn’t work. I was at the trial.

 

The jury acquitted him without Joe even testifying one word. He was acquitted. By the way, they never charged him for not having filed and paid federal income taxes because they knew if they did, he get to talk about it.

 

He got to tell a story to the jury and get his book and his letter to the IRS commissioner all to the jury and educate the jury who would say, what? Unbelievable. We’ve been all lied to. So they try to get him with a conspiracy charge with this guy named Al Thompson, who was a loose cannon.

 

But that didn’t work either. In 2010, they had him under investigation criminally again. And the head of DOJ’s tax division was Rod Rosenstein.

 

The guy head of the DOJ, when Trump collusion thing got going, hysteria, and his attorney general left, he’s got the crook. So we’ve been finding deep states before the term deep state even became vogue these days. A common theme I’m detecting here is the IRS slash central government really does not want people looking at or thinking about the details of these actual laws.

 

That’s why they don’t. So that’s such an interesting thing. They don’t want to even, and this is, I guess, the loophole that’s being exploited is they don’t want to pursue people doing what you’re doing because that will draw attention to the fact that what you’re doing is within the bounds of the law.

 

Absolutely. I mean, look, my personal victories of the IRS, civil cases, not criminal. I mean, that’s, I beat the IRS without a jury.

 

With a jury, it’s much easier to beat the government because all 12 jurors must agree you’re guilty. In the civil cases I had, there was only a judge, one judge, and which are biased for the government. If they cannot get me there with their own appeals agents or with a judge, how do I get me before a jury? So they don’t like the fact that I publicized my victories against the IRS.

 

They say, no, no, don’t look at Freedom Law School. Just go be a good sheeple. Eat your grass, your grains, watch sports and soap opera, have fun and party, drinking.

 

Don’t think about these things. That’s such an interesting thing that, yeah, the incentives of these centralized powers are actually to keep people inundated with the bread and circuses or keep them dumb and distracted so they can keep fleecing them. But that undermines the actual productive potential of the whole society, right? Because if people are dumb and distracted, then they’re not going to invent new things.

 

They’re not going to push humanity forward. They’re not going to create a lot of wealth, basically. And so the wealth that’s, you know, in the attempt to steal wealth, you’re actually undermining aggregate wealth creation.

 

And so it’s kind of like this cutting off your nose to spite your face sort of thing. Not really. The reason they do that is because a private wealth, independent wealth grows big.

 

The private wealth could challenge the status quo of the international bankers who own the private or the Federal Reserve. The owners of Chase, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Wells Fargo. They’re the people that own the Federal Reserve as well.

 

So look at Elon Musk, one very rich guy. How much of a hair in the noses of these guys has he been by buying X and supporting Trump? Just one guy. If we had five Elon Musks, 10 Elon Musk, we could actually challenge and overturn the Federal Reserve Act, the root of the power of this satanic system.

 

And they don’t want that. They’d rather keep us dumb and weak so that anonymous will grow up to be so powerful to be able to challenge them. Yeah, that’s the point I’m trying to drive toward is in the attempt to maintain relative power or dominance over another group, you are inhibiting or preventing the absolute growth and power and dominance of the species.

 

We’re hamstringing ourselves from a humanity standpoint in an attempt to try to make sure this group stays on top of this group. But it’s not us. It’s not your bankers.

 

I know. That’s what I’m saying. When I say, I’m trying to speak kind of in the, yeah.

 

Correct. You can classify these groups differently. I was speaking from the general human standpoint, but I guess what I’m getting at is we are sacrificing the absolute potential of the human race to this relative power game.

 

So it’s very fucking stupid is what I’m getting at. So if you just stop stealing from and killing people, then everyone would be more rich and more prosperous, including you, right? Even if you’re not the group that’s on top and you’re the group that’s third, fourth down the pecking order, you too would be more prosperous. You might not be on top of the heap.

 

So it’s like, it’s the crabs boiling in water, right? Where the individual crab has nothing to gain from pulling the crab that’s escaping the pot back into the pot, but misery loves company. So they do it. And there’s this animal impulse humanity seems to have that we can’t like, I don’t know.

 

We need to wake up to that. But these are the people that own the pot and we’re the crabs. And so they don’t want to risk losing the control of the pot by letting any of us crabs get powerful enough to go outside the pot and get them and then eventually free up all the other crab.

 

These are satanic evil forces behind wars, all this LGBTQ satanic nonsense that you just cut off your parts. Somehow you became opposite sex. How does that ridiculous stuff gets out there? It’s all satanic war against our creator God that made us in his image.

 

You know, Satan says, no, I want to make you weird. Satan has, you know, horns, you know, you know, Satan is a, is a LGBTQ. Yep.

 

He has, he has a penis and breasts. If you look at his image. Yeah.

 

That that’s what it’s all about. So that these people are in power. They don’t want to lose control.

 

So this is much deeper than just money and economics. This is spiritual warfare. That’s right.

 

I think it was, it was either Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson that had on their family seal rebellion to tyranny as obedience to God. Correct. And so this, this push towards human freedom, I like, I just can’t, I don’t know.

 

I don’t understand it at all. I have no desire to control another person. It’s like, I actually want to help another person be as free as possible and therefore they can, then they can bring what it, what they need to freely express into the world, right? Their specialization or whatever it may be.

 

And then you can enjoy that. Like, this is the beauty of a free market. But I struggle still, even after almost, you know, over four years of doing this show, I struggle to put myself into the mental perspective of someone that really wants to control and manipulate other people.

 

Like that is a very fucking strange impulse to me. Because you’re a good person. You’re a loving person.

 

They’re not like that. These people have, uh, you know, they, they, they had you pay a price to get that. That’s why they use pedophilia to, to control you.

 

They have politicians, you know, Epstein, you know, work for Israeli Mossad. And so what they did, they had these politicians go there, they video them and then you could use the blackmail. So that’s, this is so rooted deep.

 

But bottom line is that my focus is more on getting rid of this deception and have America’s not be a slave. Because once we get that, now we can do what you want to do, Robert, empower the people to have enough money to challenge the status quo of the Federal Reserve corrupt system. Gotcha.

 

What, so what were the most important findings of Bannister’s investigation as whistleblowing and or investigation, right? Yep. That what were the most important findings of him that caused him to leave? Was it just asking that question? Like, where are the laws? He found no law that requires the average American in the 50 States to file a bank of tax one. Right.

 

He, uh, number two, he said that when we sign that 1040 form under oath, yeah, we are given up our right to be silent, which is guaranteed by the fifth amendment of his constitution voluntarily under oath. He said, no, no, when I was a criminal agent, if I want to talk to someone about his tax situation, I had to read him his right to be silent that you don’t have to talk to me because anything you say to me can and will be used against you in a court of law. And he starts thinking, what’s the difference of that with a 1040 form that we tell people you sat under oath, you know, how come we do that? And he said that when he went after individuals in five years, he put four people in prison, all of them were filers, small business owners.

 

And the first thing that they always did as standard was request the targets previously filed 1040 tax confession forms. See what is in there to use against them. So he said, how, how did he give up a fifth amendment right to be silenced? So that was the second big finding.

 

The third one he found is that the 16th amendment of the US constitution, which the government claims authorized the federal government to tax people directly like income tax was never properly ratified. And it was not ratified properly. However, the Supreme Court has said more than once back in early 1900s that the 16th amendment of the constitution did not give the federal government any new taxing powers.

 

Since the federal government could not tax people directly back in 1800s, you know, and the 16th amendment did not change anything. There’s no legal justification. How does income tax work? So this is criminality.

 

How ironic is that? The criminals are using criminal law to try to catch people, but all you have to do is know the law, plead the fifth, and then you don’t have to, you don’t give them any attack surface. Basically you don’t need to plead nothing. You just gave them nothing.

 

Well, I’m sorry. Plead the fifth. I’m sorry.

 

That’s a colloquial way to say, invoke the fifth amendment. Don’t say anything. Just give them no information.

 

There’s about 80 million plus non filers. Right. According to Iris’ own best estimate who made above the minimum filing requirements.

 

Look at this. So the Iris knows you cannot go out to 80 million people. And in fact, back in 2016, Robert, the Iris management officially decided to leave people who don’t file tax returns alone and focus on filers who have confessed under oath with the help of the CPO tax attorney to file a confession form because it’s so easy to pick on that return and say, prove that crypto amount again, you said.

 

Prove that deduction expense thing you got here and the burden of proof is knowledge on you to pay that same CPA who got you in trouble in the first place to try to help you out of this mess he got you in. It’s okay. So not filing the personal 1040 return is equal to not confessing things you don’t need to confess to the IRS and centralized government.

 

What do you tell people that have just been filing their whole lives? Like, is there a statute of limitations? Like people just stop filing immediately. How far back can the IRS go in time? Like if someone comes to you new today and they’re like, Hey, I’ve just been doing it the way I thought everyone did it. And I filed a 1040 every year.

 

What do I do now? Like, how do you guide them? You just tell them to just stop right now. Same way as a guy who taken vaccines every year, get the flu shot. And now here’s about vaccines that actually a bunch of lies not good for you.

 

What do you do? We just stop taking more vaccines. Stop following those 1040 income tax confession forms. If you look at your 1040 from for last year, look at line 37.

 

You sign under oath on line 37. They say this is the amount that you owe. You signed it.

 

You served under oath. Without you doing that, you owe the IRS a big fat zero. Now, if they want to mess with you illegally, they have to create a case against you like they tried to do with me.

 

And that is so expensive, because you have a right to trial to challenge that tax proposal. And you have only 31 U.S. tax court judges in America. There’s no way these 31 human beings can do taxes.

 

You have cases of 80 million Americans, even million non-filers. There’s no way. So they say, look, we have no choice but to leave them alone.

 

And that’s the thing that got to get out to people. They will leave you alone if you don’t need to be afraid of them. As one of my business mentors once told me, the job of the boss is to eliminate confusion.

 

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So going back to that analogy about the jab, if you got the jab and then you subsequently learned that it’s fucking poison, it’s not just don’t get any more jabs, there’s also things you can do to like help get the poison out of the body, right? People can cleanse the spike proteins and et cetera, et cetera. Are there, by way of analogy, are there similar things people can do to cleanse the poison of past filings? Not really, just do the best job you can with your accountant to do the bean counting of your expenses and deductions and provide it, that’s pretty much all you can do. But I’m a forward-looking guy.

 

I tell people don’t focus on the past, that’s done. Focus on now and the future and do not confess anymore that you owe the Irish money. If your accountant CPA or tax attorney scares you and says, don’t listen to these guys, you’re going to go to prison, you’re going to be in trouble, ask him to go to Freedom Lost’s website, step one, follow the law, watch the nine-minute video I have on the law, nine minute only, and tell him, show me where Freedom Lost is wrong.

 

Show me the law that requires me to file and pick up tax to begin with. Why should I pay you? Yeah. There’s a saying, no man is better than his incentives.

 

And if your tax accountant is telling you to keep filing your taxes, it’s kind of like the barber telling you you need a haircut, right? It’s like, no shit. They’re not, yeah, I’m not saying, this is all new to me, right? We’re talking about this today. Obviously I’m very, taxation is theft.

 

I think it’s morally wrong. It’s horrible and all this stuff, but I didn’t know that people were doing this. I mean, this is a whole new thing for me, but you’re definitely not going to get good advice about it from your tax accountant.

 

That’s just a conflict of interest basically. Okay. If we look at the future, we mentioned Trump earlier that he’s looking to abolish the IRS, perhaps.

 

I mean, at least that was an idea that was flirted with before the election, I think. Where do you think the future of federal income tax is going? Do you think we’re going to get more people migrating to this 80 million cohort of non-filers? What does the future look like in your view? If I have anything to do with Robert, my goal has been since 1992, when I started educating myself, is to get rid of the income tax altogether by American people waking up and realizing that they’ve been deceived to voluntarily pay this corrupt empire in Washington, D.C. Okay. You just got to stop paying them and that will, the lack of support by people, voluntarily collapse the system from within, just like the communist Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

 

Not from an outside source. Bankruptcy. But because the corruption of the system and rot from within.

 

IRS is such a rotten, wasteful, inefficient agency. They don’t work. They are broken from within.

 

And it just takes a little extra push, but with the American people, and the system will collapse. For example, IRS’s computers are the oldest in the federal government. And the mainframe brain of the IRS’s system is a 1960s COBOL assembly language technology still.

 

Since 1980s, multiple times they’ve tried to upgrade, improve their infrastructure of the IT system. They’ve failed every single time. And now, IRS even stopped giving projection dates of how they’re updating the system.

 

The system cannot be broken any more than a communist Soviet Union could be fixed from inside that Gorbachev tried to do. So I just want to push it, make sure it happens as soon as possible, properly. So your goal would be to drive the average effective tax rate for a citizen in the United States to 0%? The tax rate is already zero.

 

People just realize, again, the people in 50 states, you don’t have to buy income tax. Realize that that never applied to you. They use the term US individual income tax.

 

And you and I think, oh, that’s the 50 states, United States. But in definitions and tax law, United States is the District of Columbia. You thought it was you, but it’s not you.

 

Hmm. So in the event that we get that, let’s say everyone wakes up and like, oh, I don’t have to file anything. Explicit tax revenue goes to zero.

 

I mean, not zero, there’s still consumption taxes and the things we mentioned, but income tax and the other big ones, estate tax, go to zero. Won’t the federal government just backfill all those gaps by printing more money? Isn’t that what they’ve been doing up until this point? There’s deficit spend, right? They collect $4 trillion in taxes or whatever the number is, but then they spend $6, $7, $8 trillion. And to cover the difference, they just print it.

 

Won’t they just print whatever they need to cover the difference? They can because that would utterly destroy the Federal Reserve notes garbage they give us as money and will expedite Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies become the real money on the world. That’s what they’re running back against. They cannot do that.

 

But there’s the military budget is so corrupt. For example, back in 1990s, it was audit of the Department of Military. $2 trillion could not be accounted for where the money meant.

 

That was over, that was 25 years plus. Right now, the whole Medicare. Wasn’t it the day before 9-11, the Pentagon lost a trillion dollars? That’s right.

 

The audit of that whole thing was in a section that was blown away. The report was… How convenient. Exactly.

 

Yeah. So we just, we don’t have to… So the question was, would we print the difference? No, they won’t. They’ll have to cut the government budget.

 

They have to fire all the employees that don’t do anything and stop subsidizing all these corrupt organizations. Give me an example of how corrupt the medical system is. My baby was in the hospital for 14 days.

 

When she was born, she was born dead, came back to life. We took her there for safety. We told the hospital how much we can pay you.

 

We need to pay you. How much does it cost? They would refuse to tell us repeatedly how much it would cost for our baby. And we knew if we insisted, they would kick us out of the hospital.

 

So at the end of the 14 days, I go to them and they say, oh yeah, go downstairs and they got insurance for you. I say insurance after the fact. I used to sell insurance.

 

You can’t do that. Well, let me go see what the scam is all about. Sure enough, the bill was $1.2 million for 14 days for my baby being in an intensive care unit.

 

I asked them, well, what’s the cash price? We believe in paying cash. $100,000. So they billed the US government $1.2 million.

 

And the government says, it’s too much. We’re going to cut down 25 or 50 percent, pay you $800,000, $600,000. And the hospital goes and says, you fool.

 

And it’s a bunch of other babies. It’s milk money for the hospitals and the pharmaceuticals. That’s where most of the budget of the health and human welfare, it goes to the pocket of these corrupt medical system, the pharmaceuticals, the hospitals, who rip it off the taxpayer, the people of America, through the government.

 

We can get rid of that. We can get rid of the military and just fire half the government employees easily. We have plenty of money left.

 

No shortage. Wow. It is a very radical vision for the future.

 

But yeah, I mean, again, this is one of those things. It’s like, if you really stop and think about it, you’re not consenting to the transaction. You’re not consenting to the price, to the calculation.

 

At no point did you sign an agreement, like an employee agreement, like I am an employee of the United States and I will pay some, I wouldn’t even be an employee. It’d be a customer, right? You’re a customer of the United States. A slave.

 

You’re a slave saying, master, I swear, this is how much I have taxable income. That’s how much I owe you. Please don’t audit me.

 

Go easy on me. I don’t have the money to pay my CPA to help me with an audit. They sucker us into being every year, give a slavery report under oath because the TV and our county CPA tax attorney told us that’s the safe thing to do.

 

To have the IRS not mess with you. What about arbitrage? Like people that are moving to Puerto Rico to get a 2% flat tax, things like that. And there’s other people I think that are, you know, they call this multi-flag theory.

 

There’s all these different structures where you can spend certain amount of time in each country. And then if you split the time evenly enough, you end up with like low to no tax liability. What are your views on that? Do you think, I guess you assume that’s unnecessary because if you just sit here and not do it? Waste of time and money.

 

I know people who did the, oh, if you become a Puerto Rico resident and you, there’s six days of one month, you pay zero income tax there. Why do you have to live on this little tin pot island, Puerto Rico, over six months to be free? You can be free right here in America without having to do any of that rigging bro. I just stopped putting a rope around your neck, give it to the IRS on that 10th word from your sign that you owe the IRS money.

 

And stop them withholding on your paycheck for free at freedomlawschool.org, our website. So you mentioned these seven stuff. I mean, I assume this is the advice basically.

 

If someone comes to you and they’re like, Hey, I want to follow your lead. You point them to the seven steps, right? Yep. And so I’m just going to name these steps and maybe you can just elaborate on what they are.

 

So step one, follow the law. No law requires 99% of Americans, which would be anyone not in DC, I think as you said, to file and pay income taxes. Okay.

 

Just starting there. Could you just elaborate on that one a little bit? They use the term United States in tax law all the time. Every time they use that term United States, they’re referring to the corporation, not the nation.

 

They mean the district of Columbia, the land that the federal government is sovereign is their own country. Literally their own country. Yeah.

 

That’s why Jake Lang in one of January six years was four year in federal prison without speed trial because the constitution that guarantees you a right to speed trial. Not in DC. Does not apply to DC.

 

Wow. That’s why they could do it to him. So that’s the first thing for people to understand is the law.

 

It is all based upon US government’s official legal website. IRS’s website, 1040 form instructions, US treasury regulation, federal laws published by House of Representatives and US Supreme Court. No lower authority we accept, except those highest sources of law.

 

And you can see the nine minutes on step one at freedom law.org. That’s a starting point right there. Step two, stop filing income tax forms. I guess that one’s pretty straightforward.

 

We covered that because you confess you owe the IRS money when you never owed the IRS anything. So stop confessing on a slavery 1040 form you owe the IRS money. Right.

 

So there’s no audit if there’s no tax return. Got it. So fifth amendment.

 

Yeah. Because there’s no law required to do in the first place. Right.

 

It’s remarkably simple. Step three, realize the IRS operates on deception and bluff. Right.

 

Over 99.9% IRS’s bluff for non-filers. There’s all about 80 million plus non-filers according to IRS’s own best estimates. IRS is such a broker agency.

 

They do not have enough agents to answer the phone calls of people who filed, didn’t pay the money, and want to make a payment plan. That’s a customer ready to pay you. You could even take that guy’s call.

 

How are you going to make a case against a non-filer that gives him the right to a full-blown trial in tax court and appeal? It doesn’t make sense. You’re going to go where the easy money is. We sucker people, deceive them, and sign a 1040 confession form.

 

Now it’s much easier, but even then, IRS doesn’t have enough people. So this myth that they perpetuated in the media, through your accountant and tax attorneys, that if you don’t file, you go to tax prison. They’re going to take your bank account, paycheck, and everything you got.

 

It’s just a myth. In step three, I give people facts that from the government’s own reports, everything that they’re just the Wizard of Oz, and we were all Dorothy and her friends, afraid of the Wizard of Oz, that the media made up for the American people of the IRS. So by signing that 1040 document, you’re making yourself the low-hanging fruit for the IRS.

 

Yeah, especially crypto investors, because it is so difficult to find a good accountant, to find the cost basis and the profit of which crypto did I buy and sell, how much of this much I bought here and this much here to sell this Bitcoin. It’s just so complex. And in fact, for crypto investors, there’s a trap on the 1040 form.

 

It’s called the crypto question. Used to be laid out in a 1040 form. Now it’s at a front page, below your name and address.

 

Basically, did you sell any crypto in any way? Yes or no? Tell us under oath. Either way, you did yourself in. The question is, did you sell any crypto? In any way, yeah.

 

Did you in any way dispose, sell, exchange any crypto? That would be taxable in the IRS’s view. If you say yes to that question, guess what? Congratulations. You just put yourself on the IRS audit list.

 

There’s a lot of money could be made by auditing crypto investors, crypto owners. The last couple of years, Bitcoin has gone crazy. It is getting really, let’s go get some of those crypto guys and keep them in line.

 

So when you say yes, you put yourself on our list. That’s why it’s on the front page. They completely put you on the list.

 

If you say no, you lied under oath now. And you can go to prison for nine years. Wow.

 

So what do you do? You damn if you do, you damn if you don’t. Simple. Opt out.

 

Don’t, they opt out. Don’t sign and send the IRS that 1040 form to begin with, and they will leave you alone. Why aren’t all the super rich doing this? They don’t know about freedom law school.

 

Sorry, I had to say this, but because you see. Like the tax liability that a guy like Elon or Bezos incurs year over year, it’s like, holy shit, they could save astronomical amounts of money. No one else on planet earth has advised them like, hey guys, if you just stop signing these forms, you can save billions.

 

They’re tax attorneys. That’s hard to believe. That’s hard for me to believe.

 

Because the tax attorneys, the tax attorneys and CPAs control them. And they say, listen to me, I’m the medical doctor. Don’t listen to those anti-vaxxers.

 

Get the jab. Like I say, the whole medical community knows medicine. Listen to us experts.

 

Get the jab. I’m the CPA tax attorney. Don’t listen to these tax protesters.

 

They go to prison. It’s literally that simple. Even if they come across us to begin with.

 

So it’s an incentive trap. Yeah. These guys make money.

 

The accountant CPA tax accountants don’t want you to stop filing taxes. Obviously the barber doesn’t want you to stop getting haircuts. Huh.

 

Okay. Maybe that’s why my barber never advises me to grow my hair out. If you’re listening to this podcast, you probably get it.

 

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Okay, step four, take courage from our victories. I think hour by hour, you’re referring to Freedom Law School here. Yes.

 

Tell me about that. Well, not only I’ve not gone to tax prison or paid IRS even $1 or filed with the IRS for over 30 years, but for over 23 years, I helped scores of people to stop thawing and paying income taxes, and none of them who came to me clean and stayed with me has ever gone to tax prison, nor had their paycheck, their bank account levied by the IRS, or their crypto, real estate, any property taken by the IRS. I got many victories on our website.

 

I actually zeroed out taxes for many people. One of the biggest victories I got is a guy who came to me and the IRS puts $4.6 million of tax on him, totally illegally, went to court, and the IRS’s own lawyer conceded the case and zeroed out the whole thing. So I got many of these victories on our website for people to see.

 

You don’t have to be afraid of them, and it was all done without an attorney. So maybe this would be a useful point to try and answer my earlier question about the cost benefit of this approach. That guy that owed, you said $4.6 million? Yes.

 

IRS said he owed. How much did he spend to get that liability zeroed out? Oh, I think he paid me about altogether about maybe, I think, $10,000, $15,000 at most. That’s it.

 

Oh, that’s a pretty good cost benefit ratio. Okay. Step five, question authority! Exclamation point.

 

Well, we have these petitions, Robert, on our website for Congress to see. That’s, quote, the law that the average American does not have to pay federal income tax, Medicare tax, FICA social security taxes, self-employment taxes, no 1099s, no W-2 forms, no W-4 forms, none of that stuff. And the law is listed and attached and even highlighted at the back of the petitions.

 

So easy for the congressman to see. We invite everybody to, for free, print out, sign, and mail them to your three congressmen, your senators too, and one House member. And then let us say, look, looks like the government is just scamming us.

 

The IRS management, Department of Injustice lawyers management, and even some crooked judges. Now, either I’m right about this or wrong. If I’m right on this, stop them because you can’t.

 

You have the power to fire all these guys if you have oversight of the other two branches of government. If I’m wrong, please show me clearly, specifically that I will gladly pay the IRS my fair share of taxes. And this has been done thousands and thousands of times by our students and people on their own for free.

 

How many times do you think a congressman has written us back and been able to show us that we’re wrong about any of this? Not once. So you said earlier, like you’re very future focused, but clients obviously come to you with like the guy that already had the liability. So how do you, I guess if they already have a liability assessed by the IRS, then you go to court and fight it.

 

But your advice from the point, whenever they didn’t file last, basically the strategy is very simple. Just stop filing. But we’ll fight for whatever you may have filed previously.

 

But from this point forward, don’t file. Is that correct? Okay. And what happened at that guy, that $4.6 billion guy, he hadn’t filed.

 

IRS actually used to come after non-filers to some degree from 1960s to 2011. For about 50 years, they did come after non-filers sometimes. Then they decided the juice is not worth the squeeze.

 

Then IRS started an internal collapse. In 2010, Republicans stopped filing the IRS because they were doing, they were not giving conservative groups these tax exemption status to their organizations. So Congress punished the IRS by not giving them money or starved them.

 

And the inertia of corruption and waste takes hold over time even more so. Communism doesn’t work. These are communists in the government.

 

So the IRS was forced in 2012 to gradually stop leaving non-filers alone. So I used to help a lot of people who came to me as non-filers to help them out. Most of my efforts were done on those guys.

 

But I noticed a change in 2012. Less and less people are coming to me. And after 2016, they’re like, what? I’m not helping people who are not filing income tax.

 

I’m going to get focused on getting new people to stop being slaves. So this confirms the IRS is collapsing like the Soviet Union. As unbelievable as it sounds, that’s a fact.

 

People can go on our website, freedomlawson.org and see it all from U.S. Treasury Archer’s own reports. Step six, join the Restore Freedom Plan. What is that? Well, I invite everybody to stop funding the deep state, the crooks in D.C. Don’t file income tax.

 

And the IRS leaves non-filers alone. However, a certain number of people, especially people who are middle class or above, you know, they say, well, Paymont, I would feel much better asleep at night if I had you with over 30 years of background of success in my corner. Can you back me up? So, and the answer is yes.

 

And the mold of America’s founding fathers are created the Restore Freedom Plan. Because that’s all our goal. My goal has always been political, spiritual, about having America be live and let live, a love and let love country that was meant to be.

 

Okay, money was to me was always still a secondary. So the founding fathers, what do they do? They pitched in to George Washington’s army. And Benjamin Franklin told the founding fathers, gentlemen, we shall hang together.

 

Or we shall surely hang separately. And they hung together and it worked. And they made the colonies free states.

 

So we need more patriotic, freedom loving Americans, libertarians, join in, just pitch in 30% of what you would have paid the IRS into this fund. And we do this, the more of us do that, the better. And anything that comes up, we fight for you.

 

We do all the work for you. Okay, you get to keep those 70%. And be completely safe.

 

No side 1040 forms need to do whatsoever. Like I said, we do all the fighting, you will not go to prison. Because these petitions show your good intent to follow the law.

 

With that in the record, that you did that petitions, the government lawyers will not want to put you in that trial at all. So you won’t go to prison, and I’ll pay the attorneys. And if they do civil cases that come after you, we do all the work.

 

Okay, the law and writing of legal work for you. And even if you were to lose, they take your money, 10,000, 10 million, whatever it is, whatever IRS took from you, we’ll reimburse that. So you got nothing to lose.

 

Now we got all this money to fund the freedom movement, fund freedom politician like Ron Paul to get elected. Yeah, I was with Ron Paul way back in 1990s, I supported him. You know, with people like him, like Thomas Massey, right now he’s our best man in Congress.

 

You know, we need to do freedom lawsuits and freedom news platforms that are getting the truth to American people. So how are we going to do that? With all the billions that give into the swamp, coming back to the freedom movement to fund this peaceful war for freedom. Got it.

 

So that is like a community savings pool that’s being… Freedom fund. Yeah, but then those people are members that are then able to draw against that pool. Should they have some type of tax litigation situation? Is that, am I understanding that correctly? Not exactly.

 

We do all the work for them. And we wait, we beat them. I’ve beaten the IRS many, many times.

 

If they come after our students, but they don’t anyways. They’re leaving us alone. I tell people, look, you don’t need to join.

 

You can start filing, start with holding a paycheck. They will leave you alone. But if you sleep better at night and, or you have it in your heart.

 

Yeah. To want to fund the freedom movement. Yeah.

 

So we need money, bottom line, we need money to make it work, right? Then join and restore freedom plan so we can fund all the freedom activities as well as protect you at the same time. Interesting. If people aren’t part of that and they join later, does that… I mean, if someone comes to you with a liability, an IRS tax liability, you’re still for hire to fight that.

 

Is that correct? If the, I, I help people all the time. Okay. Even if they’re not part of the freedom.

 

They’re not part of it. But the money I joined our program, then I helped them with the previous problem. And they got all set.

 

Okay. Step seven, love and spread the truth. You just heard this eye opening information that is blowing your head gaskets.

 

Like, whoa, this is great news. Didn’t know it was even possible. Well, thanks for Robert.

 

Now, you know about it. Well, I, I want to state very clearly, I actually don’t endorse you or your work. I, this is the first I’m really learning about it.

 

It does sound too good to be true to me. But I don’t know enough to refute any of it. So I hope it works.

 

And I hope you are successful in your mission because as I’ve beaten the drum repeatedly, taxation is theft. Inflation is taxation. Inflation is legal counterfeiting.

 

Counterfeiting is criminal inflation. Like all these things are just the most horrendous source of socioeconomic problems in the world. So far as I can tell.

 

So anything that helps fight that, push it back, get rid of it. I’m all for it. That said, the specifics presented here today.

 

I have no idea. This is all you. And that’s right.

 

Take you at your word. No, don’t take my word. What I invite you to do is don’t make the mistake I made when I first heard about Bitcoin about, I think about nine years ago.

 

Do your own research. And I didn’t do my own research on Bitcoin because that was a gold bug. Ron Paul, gold bug, you know, real money, gold.

 

Like my friend, Ed Griffin has been telling all this stuff. I didn’t check into Bitcoin, okay. You know, do my homework when I first heard about it.

 

But four years ago, I did. I said, I’m going to really find out about this thing. And I watched a few videos explaining Bitcoin for dummies.

 

I said, okay, I got it. So now that you heard this, it’s on you to take a little time and do your homework. So watch, that’s why my website, bitcoinlawschool.org, I put videos where everything you see is from US government’s official legal websites and reports.

 

As you drive around, stuck in your car, dead time, listen to the videos as you watch the road. And when you get back to work or home at lunch or dinner, play it one more time on your smartphone and verify what I’m telling you is US government’s official legal website. You have to do your own homework on this.

 

You should not rely on my word or anybody else’s word. You have to read the government’s official legal websites to verify it for yourself. Then you’ll be free.

 

Very consistent with the Bitcoin ethos of don’t trust, verify. I do appreciate that. I mean, yeah, it’s kind of mind blowing.

 

Honestly, it’s like so unbelievably simple. And I don’t, what I can’t get my head around is why, I mean, I understand the incentive trap you described, but I can’t understand why there’s not at least some handful of people in the super rich class taking advantage of this. Because they are the ones that have the most to gain.

 

They’re the ones shelling out the most in terms of tax liability payments. So that one I still struggle with, but it’s definitely interesting. I mean, the argument too is often wielded against Bitcoin that it’s, well, it’s complicated, but it’s the value proposition of Bitcoin is incredibly simple, right? It’s just money that nobody can print.

 

And so sometimes the argument is wielded at Bitcoin that it’s too good to be true or too simple, like what else, what am I missing? So maybe this is another one of those cases. I don’t really know, but this has certainly been an interesting conversation nonetheless. Do you have any parting words of wisdom? And if not, whether you do or not, please let people know where they can find out more about you or your work.

 

Well, as you said, like Bitcoin, you know, the thing is, it’s a famous saying. In the Bible also that people suffer for a lack of knowledge. Ignorance kills.

 

And the solution is seek the truth and the truth shall set you free. The key term is seek. You must seek the truth.

 

If you hear something that challenges your thing, you will not find out. Back in 1992, I heard about income tax on a talk radio and handle on the law on KFI and radio. I thought, this is crazy, but why would people pay income tax if there’s no law? So I called the lady and she said, I’ll prove it to you with $40 you gotta pay to attend this seminar.

 

I said, $40? I was single and poor, 29. And I said, that’s a lot of money. I mean, it’s like $2.50 in today’s money just to be shown that.

 

I said, I’m sure you got something to sell and I’ll have to pay you once you prove it to me, do it for free. But no, she said, you must pay. But if you don’t think you’re convinced in your opinion that the law says that not opinion, not philosophy, I’ll reimburse you $40.

 

With that, I told her, you’re on lady, I’m coming. My word, my judgment. She said, yes.

 

I went there and she gladly earned her $40 because she freed me for the rest of my life. So here, you don’t have to pay me anything or anybody. All you gotta do is to make the time as you drive around, because I know you don’t have time to sit down and watch the videos.

 

Nobody does. You do it as you’re driving around to and from work or errands. Listen to it at freedomlawstudio.org and you’ll be free on your own for free.

 

Or if you want with a 100% guarantee, Restore Freedom plan either way. It’s up to you to make it happen for you and your family. Peyman, thank you so much for this insightful, interesting conversation.

 

My pleasure. Thanks for having me, Robert. Thanks for coming.

 

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