XRP, Gold, and the Changing Financial System (Uncut) 02-22-2025

XRP, Gold, and the Changing Financial System – A Conversation with Bradley Kimes (Little By Little)

It’s the most trusted product in the world. That’s the most credible investment in the world is the U.S. Bond. Even our greatest adversaries and enemies around the world hold U.S. bonds.

That’s the dirty little secret. Right. So, you know, our bond market is the deepest, most trusted market in the world.

And now it’s being tokenized on the XRP ledger. So I don’t think there’s a chance it goes to zero. I think the question for myself, at least at this point, is left is how much market capture do we get? This is Little by Little with Andy Shekman.

All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Little by Little, the guests just keep getting better and better and better. And my smiling friend here, I asked him, I said, Bradley, are you always so happy and smiling? And he said, not always. But I don’t believe that shit.

He’s always smiling every time I see him. He’s got a big smile on his face. And you know what? Who wants to hang around a buzzkill anyway? So good for you, Brad.

Good to see you again, brother. I guess I should properly introduce you. Bradley Kimes from Digital Perspectives and also the creator of XRP Las Vegas, a show that I was honored to speak at last year, plan on being back again this year.

And good to see you, my man. What’s happening? What’s new with you? Well, first of all, happy new year to you. Thank you for having me.

And it’s always great to hang with you, man. We have some great conversations. I always look forward to it.

And you guys were amazing last year’s XRP Las Vegas conference. And I can’t wait for this year because I know it’s going to be super exciting, too. But we’ve got lots to talk about that’s happening right now.

That’s so relevant to where we’re going. I cannot wait to get in it with you. I appreciate that.

And yeah, you know, I’ve always felt that our two communities, Bradley, should be united. There should not be any infighting, if you will, or dissension between the ranks, between the hard asset crowd and the crypto crowd. I’ve always tried to to kind of build a bridge between the two.

We’re far more powerful if we’re united instead of divisive. And that’s one of the reasons I’ve always liked talking to you. You know, you’re someone who’s open minded.

And I have always felt that people who focus more and more about less and less till they become experts on nothing miss the bigger picture. And I respect that about you. Someone whose main focus is XRP or crypto, the crypto space, and yet has acknowledged the importance of understanding hard assets like precious metals and how the two communities could be combined.

And for that reason that that I’ve always enjoyed our conversations amongst the fact that you’re always smiling, which makes it much easier to talk with you. But let’s jump right into it, brother. Look, as I was just saying, both assets in a diversified portfolio, in my opinion, XRP and gold and silver.

And when I say gold, I mean gold and silver. So oftentimes I just say gold. But anyways, both assets, part of a diversified portfolio can balance, in my mind, potential high returns from cryptocurrencies with the stability of of precious metals.

And, you know, while gold kind of provides that time tested store of value with with with relatively steady growth, about 9 percent, 9.9 for the last 25 years, XRP, no question about it, offers a potential for significant gains, a company with a little bit of higher risk. So with all of that being said, let’s just that’s kind of my angle on it. Can you share what initially drew you to the cryptocurrency space? You’re a guy who found it made his mark in music for a long time and and more specifically to XRP.

And how is perhaps your perspective on XRP evolve since then? Well, great, great questions. And, you know, I’ll say this because you you started off saying that, you know, we shouldn’t be all in one camp, like whether it’s just cryptos or whether it’s just precious metals. I just don’t think you could overstate that point.

It’s so, so important. And just quickly before I speak about XRP and what got me into that. Throughout human history, every global reserve currency that has served in that role, every nation currency that served as a global reserve currency, when that transformation to a new global reserve currency, a new sovereign currency that becomes that status, it’s always been underpinned by gold.

And we’re about to go through a transformation of the financial system, moving to an on-chain digital economy. And again, that transformation is going to be underpinned by gold. And that’s where I think, you know, if someone’s just all in one camp, one side or the other, you’re missing, you know, like you’re missing the whole show.

Right. And I think it’s just not a complete picture. So what got me into XRP was I’ve I looked and first started investigating what is crypto and what’s the Bitcoin? Like, I didn’t even know to just call it Bitcoin.

I was calling it the Bitcoin. Like, I was so uninformed and just trying to wrap my mind around it. And I realized that all of these things are essentially payment protocols.

They’re new value payment protocols that you can move value across once it’s been digitized and tokenized on this immutable ledgers. And when I found XRP, I saw that Ripple, the company that uses XRP heavily in their suite of products, I realized that they were working with the Federal Reserve Faster Payments Task Force. Not just anybody gets to walk up to the Federal Reserve, knock on the door and say, hey, by the way, I think you should use this stuff that we just created, you know, and started building this whole suite of products.

And then the asset, digital asset XRP to go along with it will make the system more efficient, using it for payments and introducing it, as I believe, to be a new form of money. And truthfully, in the crypto land, one of the big oversights that I think people miss, they chase Bitcoin because it’s going up in price. They chase this coin because it’s going up in price.

They’ll chase XRP because they think it’s going to be in the financial system. All of these different reasons. Some are valid, some maybe not.

But the reality is, is that what I think a lot of people miss is that the creation of cryptocurrency is about introducing a new form of money into our financial system. And we’re about to get the legislation and regulation to make all of that a very, very real thing where Bitcoin sits outside of the financial system and is now being adopted in the way of ETF exposure and those kinds of things. It failed as a currency.

And that’s where we need these other assets, which I believe like an XRP, XLM and maybe a few others, can actually serve as a new form of money that doesn’t challenge or compete for the role of, let’s say, something like the dollar and the global reserve status, but yet can complement it. That would be the key, really, because the one thing you don’t want to do is piss off the powers that be and compete with them in the concept of money. But to offer it as an adjunct or a complement really would be the key.

And I agree with you on that. No question about it. Just for my listeners and people who maybe don’t understand, can you just delineate the concept or the difference between the rails and the money? In other words, what part of XRP or Ripple or their suite of products would be considered the rails that everything rides upon? And what part would be considered the actual money that people would use to exchange cross-border? That’s a very good, very good.

Let me paint it. I’ll give an analogy for people to understand this, I think, in a very simple, basic way. And one analogy, let’s start here, too, because this is such a good one, right? Let’s just talk about the difference between paper dollars and digital dollars.

On your paper dollar, there is a serial number right there, right? If you want it to be digital, you keep the serial number, put it on your phone on a digital wallet and throw away the paper. There’s your digital dollar. It’s the serial number put in a digital form on your thing, on a ledger, which is these value protocols that cannot be manipulated.

So once something’s been minted and put on it or once a transaction has been placed on it, it is forever there and there’s no taking it away. Now, another analogy that helps new people coming in to get a hold of these things. Imagine a superhighway that’s been built, but there’s no cars on it yet.

The cars that are to run on the XRP ledger that are the native tokens, a lot of people think, oh, that’s the XRP token. It runs on the XRP ledger. It does, but it’s not the native token.

The native token designed for the XRP ledger is digital dollar stable coins and central bank digital currencies for the countries that choose to make those. Those are the cars that are run on the highway, delivering all kinds of value. Then there will be tokenized stocks, bonds and derivatives.

There is another form of new digital tokenized cars running on this protocol that’s a highway. Well, currently right now, we don’t have the kind of legislation that allows for all of that at scale or for the financial system to participate on these payment rails the same way that they participate on the MasterCard and Visa payment rails. Right.

These are a new set of payment rails. And I remind people that in the early days of the Internet, law firms weren’t allowed to use fax machines and email until they had legislative clarity that allowed them to do so to cover them for privacy in those reasons. So for the same reasons, but broader list.

This is why we need legislative clarity for these payment rails, the highways, these new highways to move money fast, instantly secure. Understand that most of our payment system is constructed with the 60s and 70s technology and then all these things stacked on it to make it look like it’s really fast today. So what we’re talking about is value protocols.

They’re like a new empty highway. The cars that run on them will be all of the financial instruments from dollars to stocks and bonds and derivatives tokenized and then placed on that new highway. And then you’ll need some XRP as gas in your car to move those cars on the highway.

And then as you get so much traffic going back and forth for people looking to make markets every day like they do every day now. But on this new highway, there’ll be some new opportunities to make pairings between things that were never possible to pair before. Because not only do you use the XRP as gas to move all of these different instruments on the highway, but you can also pair using XRP to make pairings more efficient and more costly than ever before in human history on this new highway.

And this is where you get that, I believe, exponential growth over time once we get the legislation. Now, all of this transformation, Andy, I don’t believe happens with the confidence that’s needed to bring everyone here if we don’t underpin it all with gold to bring the confidence to that new digital on-chain economy. That’s an amazing explanation.

One of the best I’ve ever heard. I hope people take something away from that. It’s amazing the thought, the technology that went into developing this stuff.

And you have to kind of you really got to kind of hear a dumbed down explanation like that. And as silly as it sounds. I don’t care how smart you are.

This is stuff that you really got to start the very basic explanation and then work your way forward. But it’s it’s it’s beautiful in its simplicity and elegant in its design and efficient and far less costly. It’s it is it is very interesting.

The more I learn about it. So let’s shift gears just a little bit. We know about the SEC lawsuit seems to be going on forever.

The more I read about it, the more I believe personally, and I’ll get your take on this, that it wasn’t just about investor protection. More along the lines maybe of the SEC controlling crypto, protecting the traditional financial system. I don’t know.

That’s kind of what popped into my head. But do you think the lawsuit yourself is or was part of a bigger agenda? And if so, what do you believe is or was really behind the SEC lawsuit against Ripple? Well, I definitely believe that it was a jurisdictional power grab by the previous administration and Gary Gensler. I also believe it was a way to suppress the market from getting the kind of adoption that it could get.

And I have a personal opinion that I believe that the SEC was under regulatory capture by Gary Gensler and others there inside the camp. Not everybody. There’s good people everywhere, but by a certain chosen few in there that were making decisions that were picking winners and losers in this space.

And honestly, it’s so clear that it’s not even up for dispute at this point. But, you know, there’s another angle to this case, too. I remind people that Microsoft was sued by the SEC before it really went mainstream.

Amazon was sued by the SEC. Tesla was sued by the SEC. A lot of these major players have been sued on their way through the door, which I look at is like a regulatory capture pay to play.

We’re going to put you through this. And not only is it almost like, you know, obviously it’s a legal case, a very real thing they got to spend money on. But these these processes almost become like an audit and vetting process before they allow these massive behemoths to come in and become an integral part of our economy or our financial institutions or what have you.

In this case with Ripple, I believe they were being sued over nothing. They had no illegal charges. There’s no fraud charges at all.

It was to me it felt erroneous, but you know, or frivolous. But I understand at the end of the day, one thing that no one can say is that Ripple hasn’t been legally vetted. And that’s what I believe went on here to the nth degree that Ripple has been legally vetted and so has the asset XRP.

And I believe now the next step is to put the proper legislation through to bring it in and make it a part of a strategic reserve digital asset stockpile for the US and then start to incorporate it inside the financial institution for payments. And if it goes well, then they can give it a SIFMU designation, a systemically important financial market utility designation, which would bring it into a level of just as important as the clearinghouses of the world. You know, you talk about barriers to entry, the amount of money, you know, the government doesn’t care how much money they would go through with legal fees to bring something revolutionary to the marketplace.

You look at, you know, in the medical field, the FDA, and you look at something like this being sued by the SEC instead of going through a process that vets you. Not only is it costly, it also has the negative connotation in the media of being sued. It’s really kind of gross.

The more you think about it, there must have been or must be better ways to bring something like this to the marketplace that are fair to both sides, fair to the consumer, fair to the company, without having to spend millions and millions of dollars with high, you know, high-priced, very sophisticated attorneys fighting against the government with an unlimited pocketbook. Interesting. And we’re hopeful that this ends swiftly in favor, of course, of XRP and of Ripple.

I guess we’ll see. But it looks like that is certainly moving in that direction. Well, to your point very quickly, not to cut you off, but to your point very quickly, Paul Grewal, the chief legal officer, former federal judge from Coinbase, the chief legal officer, just said this morning, if the SEC loses a case, they need to make pass a new rule that they got to pay the other person’s legal fees.

Well, that’s kind of what I was getting at. I mean, it’s just it’s you have to have so much money on top of building a new business, which is costly as hell and something like this, the programmers and all of the things that would go into it, the relationships. This is a real big business.

And then having to fight the SEC, which tarnishes the name, costs a whole bunch of money. And not only does it, would that help renumerate the companies that are out all that money, but it would also save face. And instead of going through it that way, you would think that they would would adopt something a little bit more accommodative and a little bit more, shall we say, just a smoother road to get to where you need to be.

Certainly would probably bring a lot more innovation into the space rather than having to go about it this way. How about recent technical technological advancements? That word’s always tough for me or partnerships involving Ripple that you believe are pivotal to XRP’s future. Anything new and exciting that we should all know about? Oh, my gracious.

There’s so much happening. And there’s so much happening. I’ll give you an example of just how important this is.

It was just announced that Ripple partner Ondo Finance is working on in conjunction with BlackRock’s Biddle Fund, and they’re launching UST bills directly tokenized on the XRP ledger. If you ever wanted to know the size and enormity of what’s coming, there it is right there. Because I think we all understand.

I’m sure your listeners do, because if they’re gold bugs, they’re going to get what I’m getting ready to say. The backbone of any monetary system is the bond market. And when you see them tokenizing the backbone of the monetary system and put it on the XRP ledger, even if you don’t understand technology, you just understood that statement.

It’s massive. Yeah, it is massive. It’s interesting.

A lot of the stable coins and their relationship these days with the Treasury market, no question about it, the way to certainly gain the acceptance from the government would be to find a way to marry the technology with the Treasury market. And in particular, a country like ours, where Treasuries have been kind of forsaken, I guess we could say, for lack of another word, by many of the countries around the world and in exchange for assets like gold and commodities, largely because of the weaponization and the inflation issues of the Treasury market that we’ve talked about for a very long time. But yes, that is huge.

That’s massive. And a country that needs to continue to find ways to sell Treasuries, we have $28 trillion in Treasuries coming due over the next three years. That doesn’t take into account the Treasuries that we’re continuing to issue to finance the ongoing debt.

It’s an issue. And I think that speaks a lot for the viability of Ripple itself and their products, if indeed they are finding ways to integrate the Treasury market to their platform. To me, that would give me greater confidence than just about anything that I’ve read so far.

It seems like they’ve been given the blessing. Interesting. Everyone talks about XRP’s price potential.

I do podcasts with lots of people who are in your space, whether we’re talking Zach Rector or the Black Swan or yourself or Mel Carmine. Everyone talks about the price potential, and I respect that. Certainly the FOMO and the dopamine rush of seeing it happen is something that I’ve noticed.

But what would be the biggest risk to XRP’s future? Let’s just turn it a little bit, because most of the podcasts that I’m on, when I’m on your side there, people are talking about the potential for gold and what could gold do. I rarely get what’s the biggest risk. In this case, when people buy cryptos largely because of their incredible potential, along with utility, but potential is usually front and center.

What do you think is the biggest risk to XRP’s future that nobody is talking about? You know, it’s a great question. And I would have said before the announcement of Treasury bills going on the ledger, the greatest risk would be that they don’t do that. But they just did.

Yeah, I mean, I don’t think people I mean, I think that’s a fair point, Brad, because because when you get the treasuries on there, you’ve you’ve already gotten to the highest level of acceptance and trusted product in the world. That’s the most credible investment in the world is the U.S. bond. Right.

And the fact that they’re saying that they’re tokenizing in conjunction with BlackRock 11 trillion on their assets, who the government turns to to buy everything up after the Fed wrecks a cycle. They’re putting tokenized T-bills on the XRP ledger. It’s like you said blessing a minute ago.

And it is. It’s a it’s a blessing. It’s a coronation, if you will, an anointing.

That’s how I see it. And before that was announced, I think a lot of the concern that people had was like, man, they’re never going to use it. It’s all pie in the sky.

They might be piloting it. They might be doing this. They might be trying that.

But the risk was is that it could go to zero. I don’t think it’s going to zero now. I think when you see that kind of movement and embrace and I wanted the listeners to think, think about what we’re saying now.

Even our greatest adversaries and enemies around the world hold U.S. bonds. That’s the dirty little secret. Right.

So, you know, our bond market is the deepest, most trusted market in the world. And now it’s being tokenized on the XRP ledger. So I don’t think there’s a chance it goes to zero.

I think the question for myself, at least at this point, is left is how much market capture do we get? Because it’s already not at zero. And we’re already seeing the most blessed thing happen to give everyone in the world the confidence that you could use the ledger because the United States government’s allowing their treasury bonds to be put on it. Right.

Totally. Just two more questions for you, Brad. I appreciate your time.

I know you’re a busy guy. You’re you’re preparing for XRP Las Vegas, which I’m going to ask you about at the end. But a question that I didn’t have planned to ask you, but after what you just said and maybe I don’t understand it the right way and fairness and disclosure, I am someone who understands XRP a little bit and largely because of my my time with you and and Zach and the Black Swan brothers and et cetera, they all of you have done a great job at helping me get up to speed.

You know, they talk about XRP or Ripple being a decentralized platform, yet everything that I read lends me to believe that really isn’t the case because so much of it is held by Ripple Labs. Is that the reason? And first of all, am I right on that or am I off base? And if I am, could that be part of the reason why the government is more apt to work with this fantastic technology? Because to send this stuff out in a truly decentralized manner creates issues for a central bank, but to send it out to this, which is mildly decentralized, but in reality, they can reach out and grab. The Ripple Labs, who holds the majority of all of the XRP tokens, am I saying this correctly? You’re very close here.

First of all, XRP Ledger is decentralized, right? And a lot of people think that it is. And there’s a lot of Bitcoin maxis out here and maximalists and tribalists and different communities that try to suggest that things aren’t decentralized. It is.

The XRP Ledger is decentralized and people like David Schwartz and other developers could break down those facts of how that is. I’ve come to listen to it. They can explain it better than I can, but I understand it is decentralized and has been for quite some time.

But, you know, what’s interesting is when you’re talking about the escrow that’s in an auto lock escrow account and Ripple can’t access it. It has a release every month of a billion XRP. They use a certain amount for operating expenses and then they put the rest on the back end of the escrow schedule release.

And it’s very, very monitored. It’s very. Look, I liken it to, you know, like what I call it is monetary policy.

If you believe XRP is money and understand it as money, then that’s monetary policy. They don’t let it all out into the market and all out into the wild. They keep a certain amount.

They use some for operating expenses and to, you know, I think incentivize others to use this new network that’s available, that ultimately over time will bring more liquidity and more utility to the financial system in a manner that can drive the price of XRP up over time and create a stronger, more robust financial system for the entire world. In fact, I think the XRP ledger will play a massive role, along with Ripple, the company in the U.S. market infrastructure for the new digital on chain economy. And I think that’s the big thing that’s coming next is to find that out.

But when you think about where Ripple is as a company, where XRP is as a ledger and where the remainder of that XRP escrow is, I think it is likely that the United States government may want that escrow. And I think it’s likely at some point if XRP is to serve in the manner that I think it is, at some point the United States may say, you know what, it eminent domain even. Right.

There’s many different ways that they could come in and say, you know, we actually consider that now that it’s a systemically important financial market utility, this ledger that’s got here that the world is going to begin using. We’re allowing U.S. treasury bills to exist on it and all these other payment networks can tie into it and financial institutions. How important would that network be at that point? It’d be a national priority, a national security issue if it failed.

So that’s where I could see a moment over time where the United States would come in and say, actually, we’re going to need that escrow, even if we buy it from you. No, that makes sense. And, you know, the whole concept of blockchain is transparency.

Is that escrow account listed on the blockchain for everyone to see? Absolutely. And every single thing that Ripple does is completely transparent. It’s unlike everything you’ve any ever anyone’s ever witnessed in this digital asset space.

Ripple by far has been the poster child for transparency, reporting, clarity and working within the financial system and regulators to make sure that this technology absolutely complements the financial system, not threatens it. Yeah. And yet they’re sued by the SEC that there’s a problem there.

Yeah. Last question before I ask you about about Las Vegas. Speaking of our two camps, you know, we talk about the ability to transfer assets cross-border swiftly in just a few seconds in a very efficiently and low cost.

The delivery mechanism as it relates to precious metals is something that I suppose they would have to work out, as well as KYC and AML and all of these things involved in actually delivering to the end user somewhere else and how they would take delivery. But do you think that there is a a hybrid system that could emerge where gold and silver and digital assets like XRP coexist in this new financial framework? Can our two camps find a common ground in the ability to get gold from one person to another across the globe just as swiftly as it is to move XRP across the globe from one person to another? Absolutely. In fact, it’s already happening.

The name of the couple of companies that are doing it on the ledger already have tokenized gold on the XRP ledger right now. They’re doing it already. So, yes, the answer is 100 percent yes.

And I would also say that, you know, XRP moves and settles in around three seconds. So when you’re talking about having these tokenized things like tokenized gold representing your ounce of gold that you just bought, and I could send it to you, Andy, and in three seconds, you own it. And there’s no intermediary.

There is no it’s not like a lot of people that I could do that on Venmo right now. No, you can’t. Because when I send you money on a PayPal app or a Venmo app, you see it right away.

But truthfully, on the back end of that platform, it still takes 24 or 48 hours for your money to settle, longer on a weekend. So it’s a bit of a like a shell game. You’re right.

You know, they’re covered. There’s a back end third party taking the risk that that money is going to clear in 48 hours, 24 hours. So, you know, and what we’re talking about is immediate transfer of value.

It went from my account to your account in four seconds. And that real gold belongs to you, no one else. And it’s already happened.

The only question I have is you’re best friends with Pablo Escobar and you transfer him that token and he cashes it out. How does the person or the entity delivering the gold know that that person maybe shouldn’t be receiving it because he’s, you know, a bad guy? Well, you’re going to want to know who you’re accepting anything from, just like if you were accepting something to your bank account. Right.

You know, I’m not going to accept a deposit. I don’t know where it comes from. You know, I’m going to just accept a check from somebody today.

And they just tell me, no, you’re cool. You could just take it. I’m wondering.

What in the world is this for? Where is it coming from? And you should have the same kind of perspective when you’re on these value protocols as well are working in the digital asset space. So in other words, the company that perhaps is tokenizing gold has a protocol of getting to know the client and anti money laundering legislation and all that that’s built in before they even would be able to ever deliver the metal. Is that pretty much an accurate way of saying it? That’s a great way to say it, Andy.

It’s like think of it like whether you’re on PayPal, you know, if you have a PayPal account or a Venmo account, you’ve essentially K.Y. seed yourself, which is know your customer bank secrecy act regulation level kind of clarity for the financial institutions. You’re going to do the same thing. Right.

Even when Twitter is now X and it’s soon to be this everything at the super app like WeChat in Asia, you ought to be a social media app like it is today. But you’ll also be able to spend money just like on Venmo and PayPal. Directly on that platform.

And I believe there’ll be ledgers like XRP ledger and others tied into the back end of that to make it happen. And when I think of those things, I think, OK, well, even on X right now, I got to be KYC on there to be able to get paid in revenue on there. Right.

So I think everyone’s going to sign up, create an account. You’re going to KYC yourself and then you’ll be able to do business with anyone else on that network. And then we’re talking about just like registering a car on the highway.

Right. And then having a car on the highway registered, you’re not getting pulled over unless you’re speeding or, you know, doing something suspicious activity. Right.

That’s the way we need the paradigm shift with the regulators, with this technology. Instead of trying to stop every car and check everyone and see what’s going on, get everybody registered onto the system and onto the network and then just monitor the activities. Are they doing suspicious things? Are they working with a nefarious accounts that doing bad things? You know, I mean, and I think things will take off pretty, pretty quickly when you get that figured out.

You got to you have a knack at being able to explain to an old guy like me what is a very daunting learning curve. You know, it’s easy for me to hold a bar of silver in my hand and know what I have. It’s another thing altogether to try to understand this new emerging reality.

And I appreciate you spending a little bit of time and speaking to to me and my listeners as as if I am a young child. My wife would tell you I am. But I do mind.

My friend about me. Yeah, exactly. You know, so.

All right. Now let’s get to the fun stuff to my favorite trip outside of leaving home for a few days. Tell me a little bit about XRP Las Vegas.

Tell me how people can follow what you’re doing on your great channel and digital perspectives. And just a little bit more about how people, if they’re interested in checking out XRP Las Vegas with us at the MGM here in a few months. How can they find out more about that? Well, we’re super excited to have you there again.

Your panel was remarkable and it had you think Lynette Zhang and then also Jason Cousins, who you’re now working directly with. Yeah, we’re the U.S. contact with Glint and we have a partnership. I couldn’t be more excited to work with Jason.

He’s fantastic. He is. And I think you guys are going to do amazing things together.

And XRP Las Vegas, you can find more information about that at XRP Las Vegas dot com. And we have an incredible lineup. What’s going to happen this year? And I encourage everyone to go to the website.

And if you want to learn more about that conference, understand this. You’re not spending money to buy a ticket, you do have to spend money to buy a ticket. But what you’re really doing is making an investment in yourself.

I guarantee you this will be the most knowledgeable conference anyone comes to on cryptocurrency. No question about it, because I don’t design it to be any other way. Now, there are a lot of fun, there’s super high energy and we keep it so it doesn’t get stale, stale and boring.

But you will learn more about what’s going on over the course of those two days, May 30th, May 31st at MGM Grand in Las Vegas. And I’m telling you, it will be an investment into your own knowledge gathering. And you won’t believe what you’ll come away with.

Right on. I’m looking forward to that. We’ll put a link to that at the end of the show.

And how about your digital perspectives, your own podcast or a website? Is there other ways or social media that people can follow what you’re doing? Yes, it’s at Dig Perspectives on X. And you can also follow me at Digital Perspectives on YouTube. And those are the two places that I’m posting and going every day and putting content. We do content seven days a week and we’ve been doing two, three videos for the last seven years.

So there’s lots of stuff there to get caught up on. Right on. You’re one of the nicest guys I’ve met in this industry in 35 years, Brad, and it’s an honor to call you my friend and a great honor to be invited to speak at the show.

And like I said, you know, our camps are much stronger when we’re all united. So I appreciate that very, very much. I look forward to picking up with you where we left off very soon.

In the meantime, I wish you and and your family and everyone out there a very happy, healthy and prosperous 2025. And let’s make it a good show in Vegas. Look forward to chatting with you there.

Always a pleasure, Andy. You’re a dear friend and I can’t wait to see you out in Las Vegas. It’s going to it’s going to go quick and we’re going to be out there.

But I appreciate all the kind words. It is so wonderful to get together with you every time. We always seem to have a synergy.

We fall right into a flow. I just absolutely enjoy it. So thank you for having me.

It means a lot to be on your show. Likewise, brother. You stay well, buddy.

Talk to you soon. You too. Take.

Little by little with Andy Schickman.